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Clay Boykin podcast

This month, Clay Boykin uploaded this new episode of his podcast where I was interviewed by him and his producer Dennis Tardan.

It was wonderful to join them as their guest for the second time.

The conversation was already a while ago and it’s interesting to listen to it now and hear where I was at the time, as life has been quite a ride lately.

We spoke about winter swimming, my new album on which I collaborate with my mother, Obama (and my mother’s connection to him), unconscious bias, Ukraine, my beloved grandfather, intergenerational healing, languages, my previous album “Both Sides of the River”, and Clay’s name.

Clay Boykin is a life coach, initiator of the Men’s Fellowship Network and author of Circles of Men (2018).

Clay Boykin (USA) invited me for his podcast to discuss my album "Both Sides of the River" and my experiences with men’s work.

I thoroughly enjoyed my conversation with him and his producer Dennis Tardan. Topics ranged from compassion, fatherhood, men’s circles and music to privilege, power structures and the social enterprises I work for.

Quite an honour to be the guest on this podcast that in the US is ranked #4 out of over 300 podcasts for men.

And also new to be in the position where I share (to a certain extent) about the goings on in the men’s circle. Although no names are mentioned, men can still recognise themselves in what I share. When I connected to these men about this it turned out not to be an issue with them at all, so we didn’t need to leave anything out.

"Both Sides of the River" goes NYC


On July 28th & 29th 2022, a video with highlights of Clay Boykin’s podcast “In Search of the New Compassionate Male” was displayed on a building at Times Square/42nd Street in New York. 

Among the interview highlights was a fragment of an interview Clay did with me about my album “Both Sides of the River” and about my experiences with the men’s circle that I facilitate in Amsterdam. The video opened and closed with my song “Boy Alone”.


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